Hello heart valve community and Adam. I'm wondering if anyone has had, or knows of someone who has had, diaphragm/phrenic nerve issues after heart valve surgery? ...Read more
Hello heart valve community and Adam. I'm wondering if anyone has had, or knows of someone who has had, diaphragm/phrenic nerve issues after heart valve surgery?
I've had a mysterious complication since my surgical AVR on 5/5/23. I had some minor complications shortly after my surgery but then was progressing nicely in cardiac rehab. I was able to increase the intensity of my treadmill work outs and was able to lap swim for 45 min once a week for about 6 wks. Then about 3 mo after my surgery, I started to experience severe shortness of breath (SOB) for hours/days after my workouts. I scaled back my workouts, but still kept have severe SOB episodes, even at rest, and during the night. I had about 6 wks of absolute hell where I couldn't sleep or breathe. I went to the ER several times and my cardiac work up was normal, including Echos. I have Graves disease and my thyroid was overcorrected w/ the medicine so it was low which can weaken respiratory muscles including the diaphragm. My endocrinologist stopped the thyroid med and my thyroid levels went back to normal. The SOB episodes improved somewhat and I thought it was behind me.
However, several weeks later, the severe SOB episodes have re-occured despite normal thyroid levels. I am seeing a pulmonologist who ordered a half dozen tests to rule out other things which have come back more or less normal (no evidence of chronic clots in my lungs, no interstitial lung disease, no pulmonary hypertension). My pulmonary function test was within normal limits, but the strength of my inhalation may be lower than expected for me. I did a sniff test to look for paralysis of one side of my diaphragm (which can happen if the phrenic nerve is damaged during open heart surgery), which was normal, but it doesn't tell me if my whole diaphragm is weak. I saw a neurologist and got a test to rule out terrible neuromuscular diseases like myasthenia gravis and ALS which was normal. I read that even short periods on a mechanical ventilator and receiving paralytics for surgery could weaken the diaphragm and cause atrophy -- anyone aware of this? My cardiologist, pulmonologist, neurologist, and endocrinologist have no idea what's causing my severe symptoms.
I am getting desperate. I am not able to even walk a block at a normal pace without getting winded and it sometimes triggering severe SOB episodes. I can't lift grocery bags or laundry baskets bc it triggers SOB. Before my surgery, I was running 6 miles, 3x/wk and lap swimming. I've resigned myself to possibly never being able to do those again, but I just want to be able to walk at a normal pace and do normal activities. I have two teenaged daughters and I really want to be a healthy mom for them...If anyone has any insights, I am desperate for them. Thank you!
Adam, if you have an insights from all the heart surgeons you've talked to, I would REALLY appreciate it.
Grace Mason Susan, I am so sorry to hear you are struggling like this. I am so new out of surgery I cannot offer ... Read more
Grace Mason Susan, I am so sorry to hear you are struggling like this. I am so new out of surgery I cannot offer any insight except possibly seeking second opinions. I am assuming that you have already worn a monitor for a period of time to check for any irregular rhythms that haven't been detected in office? Sending prayers your way that you can find some answers or heal with more time❤️
Susan Lynn Susan- I'm sorry you're going through this. Shortness of breath can be frightening. It sounds you ... Read more
Susan Lynn Susan- I'm sorry you're going through this. Shortness of breath can be frightening. It sounds you had a very active lifestyle. I'll be following your progress and hope they can address the root cause of your symptoms. It seemed like you had an amazing initial recovery, but something unexpected happened at three months post-op. Please let us know how you're doing. Best of luck!
Rose Madura Susan, you have been through a lot! My goodness! I had some PVCs well over a year after my surgery a ... Read more
Rose Madura Susan, you have been through a lot! My goodness! I had some PVCs well over a year after my surgery and it scarred the life out of me. It was a medication change by my PCP. My cardiologist put me back on it and I've been fine ever since. I'm sure they have reviewed your meds but you might ask for a deep dive into side effects? Just a thought. Please keep us posted! 🙏
Wondering if I could get some advice from other runners (or cyclers, swimmer, etc) out there. I am about 4.5 mo post surgical AVR with a bioprosthetic valve ...Read more
Wondering if I could get some advice from other runners (or cyclers, swimmer, etc) out there. I am about 4.5 mo post surgical AVR with a bioprosthetic valve and asc aorta replacement (5/5/23); my post-op course was complicated by atrial flutter (no episodes after the first month). Been in cardiac rehab for the past 3 mo and I will have my last session in 2 days.
11 years ago, I won a 5 mi trail run and ran my first half marathon, and then was diagnosed with a moderately stenosed bicuspid valve. My cardiologist recommended I stop running races but said I could run slowly. I had been running about 6.3 miles 3x/week and swimming about 1 mi 2x/week slowly for the past 10+ years prior to finding out my valve was critically stenosed in April 2023.
Recently, when I've tried to run intervals on the treadmill or swim my previous duration, I would feel okay during but feel delayed shortness of breath (normal rate and rhythm except some PVC's) for 1-2 days afterwards. I realized I was pushing myself too much too early. When did you start running (or do other more intense cardio)? How did you increase? Intervals? How long did it take for you to get back your previous conditioning, if at all? Thank you!
Ana Brusso Hello Susan, I’m not any of those things you mentioned. Just wanted to welcome you to our site of h ... Read more
Ana Brusso Hello Susan, I’m not any of those things you mentioned. Just wanted to welcome you to our site of heart warriors and wish you continued recovery. God bless you
Susan Campbell Thank you for the welcome and the well wishes, Ana. Blessings to you, too!
Jan Findlay Hi Susan Yes, welcome. I think everyone is different - what do the people providing your cardiac ... Read more
Jan Findlay Hi Susan Yes, welcome. I think everyone is different - what do the people providing your cardiac rehab say? Maybe just tone down a bit & start increasing again, a bit slower.
Marie Myers I did get back to playing tennis in about a year, but I don’t play as intensively as i did prior to ... Read more
Marie Myers I did get back to playing tennis in about a year, but I don’t play as intensively as i did prior to my tissue AVR and double aneurysm replacement surgery. I did not experience any symptoms as you have, but I did wait quite a bit longer. You might just need a little more “tincture of time”…
Cathleen Weed I waited 6 months before doing any intense training. I did cardiac rehab and then continued at my gy... Read more
Cathleen Weed I waited 6 months before doing any intense training. I did cardiac rehab and then continued at my gym with the bike and a moderate aerobics class for another three months. Your body is busy trying to heal not only your heart but your sternum as well. The body is always striving for homeostasis. It's going to respond differently to everything for awhile. Your electrolyte balance is more sensitive. Recovery takes longer right now. New medications change the physiology of the body as well. It's important to pace yourself. If you push too hard too fast you'll just end up with setbacks. You may get back to everything again, or you may find a new normal, just not as fast as you might like. "Can" and "Should" are two different things. Slow and steady wins the race.
Rita Savelis I think post-surgery can be hard on those who are athletes and in great shape because they want to be ... Read more
Rita Savelis I think post-surgery can be hard on those who are athletes and in great shape because they want to be back on track very quickly. As Cathleen wrote, your body has been through a lot. You can't see your heart but it is recovering and this affects a lot of things. Go easy on yourself even if it's difficult.
STEPHEN MORRIS It may be different because I am in Canada...but they sent me to cardiac rehab after discharge..excer ... Read more
STEPHEN MORRIS It may be different because I am in Canada...but they sent me to cardiac rehab after discharge..excercise and knowledge. It was great. I am a firefighter and am back to full duties. I play hockey sometimes 3 times a week. It does take time, but can be done.
Susan Campbell Wow, thanks everyone for all that great advice. I had this unrealistic expectation that I should be r ... Read more
Susan Campbell Wow, thanks everyone for all that great advice. I had this unrealistic expectation that I should be running, at least a little, before cardiac rehab ended. The staff there have always encouraged "listen to your body" and like Cathleen said, slow and steady is the best for cardiac recovery. I've spent my whole life pushing myself in everything so it's been a real adjustment to settle into slow healing... all of your resilience and positive attitudes are an inspiration to me.
Klara Čičić I am nowhere near your capacities and never was, but I cycled regularly slightly uphill before surger ... Read more
Klara Čičić I am nowhere near your capacities and never was, but I cycled regularly slightly uphill before surgery. Now I am one year post surgery and finally feel 100% confident and even better than before the surgery, I can do more cycling than before.4,5 months soundy preeeetty early to me. I was in cardiac rehab during that time I think, slowly gaining my strength...nowhere near how I feel now :) hope this helps. Give your body more time to recover....
Grace Mason Sounds like you are progressing well Susan. Best wishes to you in your continued recovery. It is goo... Read more
Grace Mason Sounds like you are progressing well Susan. Best wishes to you in your continued recovery. It is good to read your and others experiences to date
Rose Madura I'm no athlete by any means but I was similar to Klara. I ride my bike 🚲 regularly anywhere from ... Read more
Rose Madura I'm no athlete by any means but I was similar to Klara. I ride my bike 🚲 regularly anywhere from 6-15 miles. That's about what I did prior to surgery.
I've had a mysterious complication since my surgical AVR on 5/5/23. I had some minor complications shortly after my surgery but then was progressing nicely in cardiac rehab. I was able to increase the intensity of my treadmill work outs and was able to lap swim for 45 min once a week for about 6 wks. Then about 3 mo after my surgery, I started to experience severe shortness of breath (SOB) for hours/days after my workouts. I scaled back my workouts, but still kept have severe SOB episodes, even at rest, and during the night. I had about 6 wks of absolute hell where I couldn't sleep or breathe. I went to the ER several times and my cardiac work up was normal, including Echos. I have Graves disease and my thyroid was overcorrected w/ the medicine so it was low which can weaken respiratory muscles including the diaphragm. My endocrinologist stopped the thyroid med and my thyroid levels went back to normal. The SOB episodes improved somewhat and I thought it was behind me.
However, several weeks later, the severe SOB episodes have re-occured despite normal thyroid levels. I am seeing a pulmonologist who ordered a half dozen tests to rule out other things which have come back more or less normal (no evidence of chronic clots in my lungs, no interstitial lung disease, no pulmonary hypertension). My pulmonary function test was within normal limits, but the strength of my inhalation may be lower than expected for me. I did a sniff test to look for paralysis of one side of my diaphragm (which can happen if the phrenic nerve is damaged during open heart surgery), which was normal, but it doesn't tell me if my whole diaphragm is weak. I saw a neurologist and got a test to rule out terrible neuromuscular diseases like myasthenia gravis and ALS which was normal. I read that even short periods on a mechanical ventilator and receiving paralytics for surgery could weaken the diaphragm and cause atrophy -- anyone aware of this? My cardiologist, pulmonologist, neurologist, and endocrinologist have no idea what's causing my severe symptoms.
I am getting desperate. I am not able to even walk a block at a normal pace without getting winded and it sometimes triggering severe SOB episodes. I can't lift grocery bags or laundry baskets bc it triggers SOB. Before my surgery, I was running 6 miles, 3x/wk and lap swimming. I've resigned myself to possibly never being able to do those again, but I just want to be able to walk at a normal pace and do normal activities. I have two teenaged daughters and I really want to be a healthy mom for them...If anyone has any insights, I am desperate for them. Thank you!
Adam, if you have an insights from all the heart surgeons you've talked to, I would REALLY appreciate it.
Sending prayers your way that you can find some answers or heal with more time❤️