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First off, I want to thank you for the valuable information noted in your historical posts. I will be needing a mitral valve repair ...Read more
First off, I want to thank you for the valuable information noted in your historical posts. I will be needing a mitral valve repair sometime in the future (right now I'm in the position of "watchful waiting"). I also live in the greater Boston area. I have been researching potential hospitals and haven't made a final decision. Can I ask how you ended up choosing to have your MV repair surgery completed at the Cleveland Clinic (vs one of the hospitals in the Boston area like MGH). Any insight you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance for any help / info you can provide.
Frank
Fact 1- With health outcomes and data analysis experience as my professional background, I was totally looking at macro facts in my selection. I wanted a high volume hospital. I learned that there are several Mitral Valve reference centers in the the US which have high volume and good outcomes. They are recognized as such. The Boston hospitals were not on this list.
Fact 2 - I learned that the Dr at MGH heavily pushed the manual thoracotomy approach. I considered this heavily at first -- but then moved away from it - so it made no sense to consider them for a sternotomy.
The MGH robot approach was new at the time, and their meta analyses data were not good to m y eyes. Super long times on pump. Slow and low on the learning curve.
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Fact 1- With health outcomes and data analysis experience as my professional background, I was totally looking at macro facts in my selection. I wanted a high volume hospital. I learned that there are several Mitral Valve reference centers in the the US which have high volume and good outcomes. They are recognized as such. The Boston hospitals were not on this list.
Fact 2 - I learned that the Dr at MGH heavily pushed the manual thoracotomy approach. I considered this heavily at first -- but then moved away from it - so it made no sense to consider them for a sternotomy.
The MGH robot approach was new at the time, and their meta analyses data were not good to m y eyes. Super long times on pump. Slow and low on the learning curve.
Fact 3 - Brigham had lost most of their seasoned older surgeons for mitral and I refused to have a newbie young surgeon there. That made no sense to me.
Soft Fact 1 - I had worked in Boston for several years as a consultant and was frequently with Brigham doctors and at Harvard for meetings. I found the arrogance factor super high and it was off putting for me (a west coast native.)
Soft Fact 2 - I had heard stories of MGH being a "mill" from several folks I knew in Boston, so I just decided to look elsewhere and beyond. We initiated trials for drugs there and it was always super busy / frantic. Also, I left Boston and sold my place around that time of my journey.
Soft Fact 3 - For me, the "universal truths" were told to me at places like Cleveland Clinic and Mount Sinai (and Hopkins too) when I had my consults. Some hospitals had a big skew to their stories, and quite honestly, some surgeons were not that impressive on scrutiny. I am only 52, so I was committed to make the best choice I could for myself. I am glad I did what I did.
Hope this helps color it. I have no specific bad feedback about Boston choices, I just leaned the other direction for clinical choice reasons, and also gut feelings. Happy to answer questions for you !
I have been having challenges finding out key data on certain hospitals, i.e., number of MV repairs each year, % of successful outcomes, etc. In the spirit of my efforts to conduct more due diligence, are there specific websites, medical journals and/or other sources of data / information that you could provide that would enable me to obtain certain data such as:
(i) surgeons / hospitals with a high volume level for MV repairs and a high percentage of successful outcomes using the Da Vinci robotic surgical system;
(ii) surgeons / hospitals with the lowest trending average of days in the ICU post surgery from MV repair or replacement, etc.
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I have been having challenges finding out key data on certain hospitals, i.e., number of MV repairs each year, % of successful outcomes, etc. In the spirit of my efforts to conduct more due diligence, are there specific websites, medical journals and/or other sources of data / information that you could provide that would enable me to obtain certain data such as:
(i) surgeons / hospitals with a high volume level for MV repairs and a high percentage of successful outcomes using the Da Vinci robotic surgical system;
(ii) surgeons / hospitals with the lowest trending average of days in the ICU post surgery from MV repair or replacement, etc.
Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.
One point: I think the ICU thing is a rabbit hole. These are just averages and predicated on age and complexity of patients in the series. The thoracotomy patients often move to step down faster so that does not tell you much. What does matter is long term durability and comorbidities from surgery. Stermotomy patients are in ICU longer because they take longer to come out of anesthesia. Mine was rough - I won't lie.
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One point: I think the ICU thing is a rabbit hole. These are just averages and predicated on age and complexity of patients in the series. The thoracotomy patients often move to step down faster so that does not tell you much. What does matter is long term durability and comorbidities from surgery. Stermotomy patients are in ICU longer because they take longer to come out of anesthesia. Mine was rough - I won't lie.
A lot of thoracotomy patients have arrhythmia issues (sternotomy too) but these sorts of things are missed in that ICU time data. Also, ICU is not scary necessarily. My best care and comfort were there, so don't necessarily think of it as "blanket bad." I think surgeons presented this time data to show non inferiority more than anything. Thoracotomy will always be presented as non inferior to sternotomy.
If you want robot that is great, just know the caveats that come with it. It comes with tradeoffs.