Hi Kim,
I was 49 when I choose my mechanical valve, just had my six year anniversary with it this week. There are pros and cons whatever you choose, like ...Read more
Hi Kim,
I was 49 when I choose my mechanical valve, just had my six year anniversary with it this week. There are pros and cons whatever you choose, like others I would say go with your gut. I do hear my mechanical valve everyday, however it’s probably not like you imagine. It’s not an all day sound it’s a few seconds in the day when every thing is quite. Maybe first thing in the morning, or may be when you take the dog out but never all day long. They have some pretty good examples of the sounds of the mechanical valve on YouTube. However I will say right after surgery when you have a restless night you will hear it a lot and it will drive you crazy. I yelled at mine one night to just shut up and then realized that’s not what I wanted at all. It was doing its job and that’s what I wanted!! So if you go with a mechanical give yourself some time, eventually one day your notice that you haven’t heard it all day and will sit as still as you can to make sure it’s working.
The only time it bothers me at all is when I have a nightmare and wake up startled. It does feel and sound like it’s beating out of my chest. It doesn’t last long and isn’t hard to calm afterwards.
On the anticoagulant I had problems regulating right after surgery in the hospital. After that I’ve had no problem. I went to therapy about 4 months after my heart surgery and it really helped me get my confidence back on track being on Coumadin.
I have had to have kidney stone surgery since being on it and my doctors worked with me very well to allow me to pick the right surgery to have while being on Coumadin. For me the worse part is the antibiotics you have to take while being on it. Just make sure you eat when you take the antibiotic before your dental cleaning. It may upset your stomach a little. When I had my surgery my doctors had me on antibiotic for a week before, and extra dose during, and then another week after surgery. It was a long haul of antibiotics and my stomach was upset by the end. Was better than doing damage to the heart valve though.
I hoped I helped, it’s such a confusing and hard time before you make your decision. Just resolve once you’ve made your decision that this is the right decision for me and I’m willing to do the work to make it work for me. You will do great!! Good Luck! My prayers and thoughts are with you! Tammy
Has anyone had kidney stones after having a mechanical AVR? After 5 years with a mechanical valve I’m facing kidney stone surgery. The doctor has really ...Read more
Has anyone had kidney stones after having a mechanical AVR? After 5 years with a mechanical valve I’m facing kidney stone surgery. The doctor has really expressed his concern for the valve while I’m in surgery?
Marie Myers I have not had kidney stones, but have worked in the operating room for a long time. I am sure the su ... Read more
Marie Myers I have not had kidney stones, but have worked in the operating room for a long time. I am sure the surgeon will have you get a “medical clearance” from your cardiologist. Your cardiologist should be able to put your mind at ease concerning risks related to your valve. I am guessing the risks that the doctor is concerned about are related to Coumadin.
Tammy VanBuskirk Thanks Marie. I just happened to have my yearly echo and cardiologist appointment next week and was t ... Read more
Tammy VanBuskirk Thanks Marie. I just happened to have my yearly echo and cardiologist appointment next week and was thinking the same thing. I was hoping he could give some guidance on which surgery if any is easier on my valve. Hope your having a great day!!
Rita Savelis The main thing that dcotors will keep in mind is lowering your oral anticoagulants and putting you on ... Read more
Rita Savelis The main thing that dcotors will keep in mind is lowering your oral anticoagulants and putting you on an iV of heparin before and after your surgery. Then there will be some time to get you back on your oral anticoagulants after surgery while keeping you on a heparin relay.
You will normally have extra special care during and after your surgery. Doctors are concerned about your valve, but that means that they are taking it into consideration and giving you the care you need. I have had 2 mechanical valves for 5 years and have had several other surgeries since then. Take care. Wishing you the best. Surgery is never easy, but you have already had the mother of all surgeries - heart surgery.
Tammy VanBuskirk Thanks Rita. I have decided to have the Ureteroscopy, both my cardiologist and urologist says I can s ... Read more
Tammy VanBuskirk Thanks Rita. I have decided to have the Ureteroscopy, both my cardiologist and urologist says I can stay on my Coumadin with this surgery. My anticoagulant team seems to think they will try and have my INR level down to the lower end of the range and everything will work out well. I do appreciate you saying you’ve had two surgeries that in itself helps me feel more at ease. Although I hope you never have to have another one! Thanks again.
So I am kind of sure that I'm going with a mechanical valve next Monday. Took one look at my 3 dogs and wondered will they be driven crazy by the clicking? ...Read more
So I am kind of sure that I'm going with a mechanical valve next Monday. Took one look at my 3 dogs and wondered will they be driven crazy by the clicking? Has anyone noticed their dogs going crazy with the sound?
Clare Auten My dog doesn't seem to care. I guess I smell the same. My kids can hear it when they are on my lap t ... Read more
Clare Auten My dog doesn't seem to care. I guess I smell the same. My kids can hear it when they are on my lap though.
Tammy VanBuskirk Thanks, I guess that may set me apart from my grandsons other grandmothers. lol I'm sure someone wi ... Read more
Tammy VanBuskirk Thanks, I guess that may set me apart from my grandsons other grandmothers. lol I'm sure someone will name me the ticking time bomb anyway! I am glad to here it doesn't bother your cats and dogs, I don't really want them going stir crazy when everyone is trying to sleep. Thanks Again!! Have A Great Day!!!
Hi everyone, haven't had a chance to be here for a while. Been busy getting my mom to all her doctors appointments. Trying to make sure I have as much prepared ...Read more
Hi everyone, haven't had a chance to be here for a while. Been busy getting my mom to all her doctors appointments. Trying to make sure I have as much prepared for her as possible before my surgery. Then there have been all my appointments before surgery.
My heart cath turned out great!! I thank God for that!!! I have a strong and healthy heart if it weren't for this pesky aortic valve problem. I have decided to go with a mechanical replacement. However I told Dr Crestenello if he gets inside and thinks tissue would be better for whatever reason. By all means go with that.
Tonight I'm not feeling well though. I have felt like I could pass out, really weak, my chest is tight, and I feel exhausted. These are just normal symptoms from what I've read. But this is a first for me, do they get more frequent as the regurgitation progresses? Did anyone experience change in their weight? Is this also a symptom? I'm a stress eater, I can admit that!! But my weight is all over the place.
Prayers and well wishes to all!!! Tammy
While your symptoms are "normal", given your condition, you should take them seriously. The fact that you've felt like you could pass out is very bad, to say the least. If you feel any symptoms at all call your doctor and tell him/her all about it as soon as possible.
I don't think that your symptoms will become more frequent but rather get worse if you don't take it easy. So take it easy. The last thing you want to do is make your heart work overtime. Not good if you have a heart condition.
Try to go easy on the food. The act of eating represents a great stress for the heart.
I guess you can gain weight if you don't have a balanced diet, and since you still have aortic regurgitation doing doing exercise is difficult for you, not to mention extremely dangerous. But that's just for the time being; after your surgery (which will be a success!) things will start to come back to normal.
I am sending your way a ton of best wishes.
Wendy Brown I am feeling you !!! Lots of information !!
Lora Lee Peterson I have had all of these things, and our local ER doc told me it was anxiety, and that I couldn't go f ... Read more
Lora Lee Peterson I have had all of these things, and our local ER doc told me it was anxiety, and that I couldn't go from asymptomatic to having symptoms. Obviously, he's not a heart specialist. My EKG and blood enzymes were fine, as far as my heart goes, so I'll just have to watch (or feel) mine. I had a chest pain last night, but it didn't last very long this time. And my weights been all over the place too, and I am not really doing anything differently from day to day, and I am exercising frequently.
Hello, Hope everyone is a having a great day! Seen the surgeon yesterday and if all goes well I should have my aortic valve replaced in June. Still trying ...Read more
Hello, Hope everyone is a having a great day! Seen the surgeon yesterday and if all goes well I should have my aortic valve replaced in June. Still trying to figure out if I want mechanical or tissue. So hear is a question! If you have had a mechanical valve would you choose it again? And if not why? Thanks everyone
Terry Shermeister I felt much better after meeting with my surgeon too. As for your valve question, I will have a Mitr ... Read more
Terry Shermeister I felt much better after meeting with my surgeon too. As for your valve question, I will have a Mitral Valve Repair May 4. I discussed plan B, and my surgeon indicated that he favored a mechanical if they found something that prevented the repair. His reason was longevity. I have a friend who has a mechanical valve and he's had it for 15 years. The issue is blood thinners that he takes. But he plays basketball and is very active.
Steven A Husted well i do not have a mechanical valve but i have a bovine valve and yes i would choose a bovine again ... Read more
Steven A Husted well i do not have a mechanical valve but i have a bovine valve and yes i would choose a bovine again because of coumadin blood thinner for the rest of my life is something that may kill me because i have kidney stones 2 or 3 times a year and i bleed internally so there is a chance of bleeding out and not even know it and there is other problems the clicking of the valve and so i chose bovine and i am glad i did and would do it again i hope this may help you or someone else your heart brother steve (popeye)
Sharon Madden I am getting a porcine valve on June 2. I realize that I may have to have it replaced at some point ... Read more
Sharon Madden I am getting a porcine valve on June 2. I realize that I may have to have it replaced at some point down the road but the thought of taking coumadin for the rest of my life scares me more. Not to mention all of the restrictions that go with taking it. You should talk this through with your doctor and decide what is best for you and your way of life.
Suzanne Hunter I was 58 in July 2014 and had aortic valve replaced with St Jude's mechanical. I am on blood thinners ... Read more
Suzanne Hunter I was 58 in July 2014 and had aortic valve replaced with St Jude's mechanical. I am on blood thinners. We call it warfarin in New Zealand. I would go with mechanical again. I live my life to the full run,garden,hike, work part time as a teacher. Blood tests now monthly. Enjoy a glass of wine. Eat pretty much as I did before. Life is good. However only yourself can decide. At the very last minute the morning before surgery I said no want a tissue valve don't want warfarin . I really panicked .it is the unknown and the worry but we do pull through and you must trust in your medical team. We really don't have as many choices as people overseas but the care I received I believe was of a world wide standard. I am so thankful to be living in a time these ops can happen. Good luck you will make the right choice for you. Live the days like they are so special.PS I love my ticking sound I listen at night and just am so thankful to be alive.
Elaine Foster I am 58 and I had my aortic valve replaced with a bovine valve in Dec. 2014. I could not get any pea ... Read more
Elaine Foster I am 58 and I had my aortic valve replaced with a bovine valve in Dec. 2014. I could not get any peace about the mechanical, even though my surgeon recommended the ON-x valve. You have to do what gives you peace. I am happy with my decision.
Tammy Pilcher Tammy, I chose bovine tissue valve. My surgery was Oct. 2014 and I was 50 at the time. I didn't wan ... Read more
Tammy Pilcher Tammy, I chose bovine tissue valve. My surgery was Oct. 2014 and I was 50 at the time. I didn't want to have to worry about internal bleeding or having to come off blood thinners if I had to have any other procedures done. It is a very personal decision and only you know what's best for your peace of mind. Prayers and best wishes!
I am going to the surgeon next Tuesday for the first time. I have prepared the best I can and have my questions written down. I am starting to notices symptoms ...Read more
I am going to the surgeon next Tuesday for the first time. I have prepared the best I can and have my questions written down. I am starting to notices symptoms more and it makes me a little more nervous. How long after you see the surgeon for the first time do they schedule your surgery? In general, I'm sure everyone is different. The only big test I need to have done before surgery is a heart Cath. I've had the echo, tee, and stress test done.
Ann Keating Once I had gotten to that point I was ready to get it over with. The waiting was hard! In my case su ... Read more
Ann Keating Once I had gotten to that point I was ready to get it over with. The waiting was hard! In my case surgery was scheduled about 3 weeks after I met with my surgeon. I wish you the best and think having your questions ready is a great idea.
Terry Shermeister Hi Tammy: I saw my surgeon about a week ago for the first time. I was ready to ask many questions f ... Read more
Terry Shermeister Hi Tammy: I saw my surgeon about a week ago for the first time. I was ready to ask many questions from Adam's book, and all the research that I had done on my own. I had my Echo, and TEE (3-D image of my Mitral Valve). I was greeted by the cardiac nurse who said that I had picked an outstanding surgeon. That made me feel good. We talked an hour, it was very helpful. He said that the surgery should be done within the next 4 to 6 weeks and the cardio secretary would contact me. Three days later she called and scheduled my surgery for May 14. In addition: Heart Cath, Dental checkup, Blood tests, angiogram, chest X-ray, and Pre-op. were scheduled as well. Also directions relative to first day surgery arrival. Oh, my surgeon also answered all my questions before I had a chance to ask him. It gave me peace of mind, well as much as one could expect. I'm asymptomatic, just got back from a half mile swim in the pool. I bike regularly as well. Hope this was helpful.
Jennifer Bramlett It was a month and a half after my first visit. However, If you want it done sooner than scheduled, ... Read more
Jennifer Bramlett It was a month and a half after my first visit. However, If you want it done sooner than scheduled, ask to be put on a list as available to fill in a cancellation. I was offered that option, but declined for family reasons.
Nancy D I met my surgeon on a Tuesday after all the above mentioned testing was done and available to him to ... Read more
Nancy D I met my surgeon on a Tuesday after all the above mentioned testing was done and available to him to review. After he explained it was time, and the approach to my husband and I both, and answered what few questions I had that he hadn't already covered prior to me asking, I asked him how far out was he booked, as I wanted this done as soon as possible. He said he could squeeze me in on Friday (in 3 days!!) and I said, I don't want to be squeezed in, when can I be scheduled first thing in the morning? He pulled out his phone looked at his schedule and said next Wednesday or Thursday. I chose Wednesday, which was one week and one day later. I am glad I didn't wait any longer! It will work out as it is supposed to, and you will be ready, and do well!!
Tammy VanBuskirk Thanks Everyone. It seems so strange to even be going to a surgeon. I feel all of you have prepared m ... Read more
Tammy VanBuskirk Thanks Everyone. It seems so strange to even be going to a surgeon. I feel all of you have prepared me as well as you can! Lol
Henry Boehringer Saw my surgeon on New years Eve 2014. Surgery was on 2/26. I knew something was going to happen in Oc ... Read more
Henry Boehringer Saw my surgeon on New years Eve 2014. Surgery was on 2/26. I knew something was going to happen in October 2014. Spent my time getting healthy from that date forward. I didn't tell my family till December.
Biggest part for me was having faith in the skills of my surgeon given to him by God. Know your surgeon , his team, and go with your gut feeling.
Make sure he has done it a lot and with success.
Mechanical vs Tissue valve? How do you know you made the right decision for yourself. When I first started the research I thought mechanical. Why on earth would ...Read more
Mechanical vs Tissue valve? How do you know you made the right decision for yourself. When I first started the research I thought mechanical. Why on earth would I want to do another surgery, not to mention I'd be 70. Then I bumped my head one night and knew I'd have to get checked out if I was on Coumadin. Which lead me to think: your a barber does Coumadin and being a barber go together? Then there is the clicking sound, will that bother me? How do you know? Help
David Augustus Tammy, like you I'm 50 and decided last May to replace my BAV with new St Jude's mechanical valve. ... Read more
David Augustus Tammy, like you I'm 50 and decided last May to replace my BAV with new St Jude's mechanical valve. The main reason for me was I didn't want to go through another surgery later in life. I have adjusted to the clicking noise and it's just a part of my everyday life. As far as Coumadin, it's the management of the INR that can be tough for some to handle, I hike, mtn. bike and live a normal life. The decision is extremely personal and I am happy with my choice. Welcome to the community and good luck with your decision. Dave
Meredith Bray You don't know. There's no right or wrong choice. You gather the information and think it over. Ta ... Read more
Meredith Bray You don't know. There's no right or wrong choice. You gather the information and think it over. Talk to your cardiologist, talk to your surgeon, ask what they recommend, and why they recommend. I was on the fence for a long time, and really didn't make my final decision until my last surgeon's appointment. I was afraid I would always be second-guessing my choice. But I haven't. Once I decided, it was right for me, and I didn't ask for anymore opinions. Yes, I hear clicking. I've gotten used to it. If I don't want to hear it I put headphones on and play some music, or hum, or just go for a walk. I'm on anti-coagulants. So what? I'm already taking nightly meds, what's another pill? I carry a "bleeder kit" with me, and have never used it. Rollercoasters, kayaking, swimming, walking on the beach, driving a bus, working with kids. I've cut myself in the kitchen and not noticed a difference in bleeding time. I've nicked myself shaving and haven't noticed a difference in bleeding time. But mechanical was the right choice for me. It may not be the right choice for you. Or maybe it is? You'll KNOW when you figure it out. Sorry to not have a definitive answer for you!
Rodrigo Ponce You can't know for sure. What you can know is what you want for yourself. That's the only real certai ... Read more
Rodrigo Ponce You can't know for sure. What you can know is what you want for yourself. That's the only real certainty you can have. I'm 37 and a couple of weeks ago I had aortic valve replacement. I went for a mechanical valve because I don't want to undergo a second surgery in 15 years.
Just now that whatever you decide your life will be and will get better. Mine has.
Ericka Carlson Hi Tammy, what everyone says here is true, this is such an individual decision! I chose tissue becau ... Read more
Ericka Carlson Hi Tammy, what everyone says here is true, this is such an individual decision! I chose tissue because I knew being on anti-coagulants would beat me mentally, I am active and like to hike through the woods by myself and would be scared to do that anymore. I also knew that if I heard the ticking of the valve that would drive me up a wall and increase my anxiety. For me it was the tradeoff between being reminded of it every day, vs. every 15 years.
There have been great advances in TAVR, I am hoping that the next time I need a valve TAVR will be widely available and my next replacement will be a 1 day stay in the hospital.
I know I sound confident now, but it took a meeting with my surgeon for me to be 100%.
Tammy Pilcher Tammy, I'm 51 and chose a bovine tissue valve. I was 50 at the time (Oct. 31, 2014). I chose tissue ... Read more
Tammy Pilcher Tammy, I'm 51 and chose a bovine tissue valve. I was 50 at the time (Oct. 31, 2014). I chose tissue for the same reasons Ericka stated. It is a personal choice and you know yourself better than anyone, so you'll make the right decision for you. Prayers and best wishes!
Ole Bore I'm 35 and opted for the mechanical valve. This is a personal choice, but for me the right one. I cho ... Read more
Ole Bore I'm 35 and opted for the mechanical valve. This is a personal choice, but for me the right one. I chose it because like the others on this thread did not want another surgery. Oh, and what's another medicine to be taken everyday? Experiencing some of the known side-effects of Coumadin (getting colder faster than I did), but I have no issues and find the ticking soothing if nothing else (means it's working) :)
Duane Beeman I'm 58 and scheduled for a tissue valve on June 9th. I never hesitated in my choice. I'm not the ki ... Read more
Duane Beeman I'm 58 and scheduled for a tissue valve on June 9th. I never hesitated in my choice. I'm not the kind of guy who will watch my diet, routinely check my blood levels, etc. etc. I'm constantly cutting myself, bumping my head and such nonsense. It's a lifestyle choice as much as anything I think.
Tammy VanBuskirk Thanks Everyone, It helps just knowing others had a long thought process on this to. I am not too wor ... Read more
Tammy VanBuskirk Thanks Everyone, It helps just knowing others had a long thought process on this to. I am not too worried about the Coumadin, I take care of my mom and she is on it. But like Ericka and Tammy I wonder if the clicking would drive me up the wall. But I love what you said Ole Bore it does mean it is working!! I guess in the long run you make a decision to be happy with your decision!! Thanks Again to Everyone Great Advise !!
Rodrigo Ponce I don't know about, Ole, but in my case at first I heard the clicking loud and clear. Right now I bar ... Read more
Rodrigo Ponce I don't know about, Ole, but in my case at first I heard the clicking loud and clear. Right now I barely hear it during the day. I am able to sleep at night despite the clicking sound, and I've come to accept the fact that the mechanical valve is now a part of me, and as such I accept it in kindness and in love.
And like Ole said: what's one more medicine a day? Think of it as the calcium that so many women take. Why do they take it? It's the same thing with Coumadin. Sure, you won't be able to do, or will have to extra careful when doing, certain things like biking or roller skating should you fall. But none of us can gain something (our lives back) without giving up something. That's life, that's how life works.
I am new to this site. Since it looks like surgery is in my near future for my aortic valve regurgitation. I was wondering how people felt after surgery. I ...Read more
I am new to this site. Since it looks like surgery is in my near future for my aortic valve regurgitation. I was wondering how people felt after surgery. I am the sole caregiver for my 80 year old mom and am worried how to take care of her after my surgery?
Lewis Garlisi Welcome Tammy. Generally, you will need a fair amount of assistance during the initial recovery sta ... Read more
Lewis Garlisi Welcome Tammy. Generally, you will need a fair amount of assistance during the initial recovery stages. Cooking, cleaning, bathing, distribution of medicine, driving to doctors' appointments and to the grocery store are just some of the issues you'll need to think about. It is also very important to refrain from lifting anything (initially not more than 5 pounds) until your sternum is healed. People on this site at times discuss how long before they get back to work. Many say 6 to 8 weeks, sometimes a lot longer. You may want to brouse through some of the stories on this site. Many people post their progress at various points during their recovery. What I'm suggesting is that you'll probably want to seek assistance from any available family or friends. Speak with a social worker if you have access to one. Good luck.
Jennifer Bramlett Tammy, I too am a caregiver. You will need recovery time and care, so it will be tough to care for a ... Read more
Jennifer Bramlett Tammy, I too am a caregiver. You will need recovery time and care, so it will be tough to care for another -- please see about getting help. One of my cardiologists looked me in the eye and said quite emphatically that I will not be able to do caregiving during my recovery. So, my sister is helping, with help from an agency as needed. I hope you have other options too. If not, do be careful about seeing to your own very important needs.
sandy layne Sandy Layne Tammy you wont be able to take care of yourself let alone your mom, you will need to get ... Read more
sandy layne Sandy Layne Tammy you wont be able to take care of yourself let alone your mom, you will need to get her help as well as help for yourself, After about 3 weeks you will start to feel better. I am 70 years young and i couldnt have gone threw this with out the help of my husband, If you have a freezer you can cook meals and freeze them so at least youll have food to eat and it will be easy to just heat up. thats what i did before hand best of luck to ya
Tammy VanBuskirk Thanks to all of you. I am an only child and use to doing it all on my own. I needed to hear the chal ... Read more
Tammy VanBuskirk Thanks to all of you. I am an only child and use to doing it all on my own. I needed to hear the challenges people faced. Thanks Again
Meredith Bray Physically I could have stayed home alone after I was discharged. I could do everything I needed to ... Read more
Meredith Bray Physically I could have stayed home alone after I was discharged. I could do everything I needed to survive - sit/stand, toilet, recline, nap, short walks, food, drink, tv, phone. I had a physical therapist visit twice the first week to ensure I was capable of taking care of myself. I had a visiting nurse every other day to check my vitals, listen to my ticker, and check my INR (for warfarin). By week two I was capable of simple household chores - even laundry, albeit very.very.slowly! If you're going to be alone, I strongly recommend and electric recliner. You probably won't need the lift-chair to stand/sit, but it's a great help for getting comfortable to take a nap! I made sure there was someone else in the house for my first few showers, "just in case," but I never needed any personal care. My husband agrees that with good planning, I could have stayed alone. Psychologically, though, i really needed someone here....you know...."just in case."
Tammy VanBuskirk Oh wow, Meredith! You sound like a real trooper! Did you have non invasive surgery or invasive? If yo ... Read more
Tammy VanBuskirk Oh wow, Meredith! You sound like a real trooper! Did you have non invasive surgery or invasive? If you don't mind me asking.
Meredith Bray I had a full sternotomy. We talked about the minimally invasive surgery (which is different than TAV ... Read more
Meredith Bray I had a full sternotomy. We talked about the minimally invasive surgery (which is different than TAVR!) and I told him straight up that I would rather him have all the room he needs to work his magic than worry about me having a small scar. The physical therapist at the hospital worked with me to make sure I could stand and sit on my own, which I was doing 24 hours after surgery. The only action I really needed help with was getting in and out of bed. I was still very sore, and didn't have the muscle core built up to do it on my own. In retrospect, I suppose I could have figured out a way, but it was much easier (and more fun) to get a hug from someone first thing in the morning! The first two nights at home were the worst for me. My sleep routine was completely disrupted by anesthesia, pain meds, and surgery. I looked at the surgery as unavoidable, and just buckled down and did what needed to be done, with the knowledge that being a patient wouldn't last forever.
Don't get me wrong, it was tough going! But each day was a little better - a longer walk, a longer nap, less tylenol, more chores.
Tammy VanBuskirk Thanks Meredith, you are a big help!! I guess so far I'm on the same page as you. I have thought the ... Read more
Tammy VanBuskirk Thanks Meredith, you are a big help!! I guess so far I'm on the same page as you. I have thought the same thing about the surgery. If you need room to work go for it. Lol. I know the recovery won't be easy. Reading everyone's opinion has helped. Thanks Again